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Apr 21st 2011 12:05
「アメリカ人を説得するにはジョークから入る、日本人を説得するには苦労話しから入る、これ鉄則。」
I read someone tweeting on twitter like this.
It means, "If an American wants to persuade someone, he jokes at the beginning.
If a Japanese wants to persuade, he tells his hardship story first."
Is it true?

Certainly, when most Japanese sympathize with someone, we may accept someone's opinion.
In that situation, we don't joke.
What do you think of it?
kurpi
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Apr 21st 2011 12:04
  • I read someone tweeting on twitter like this.

  • I read something someone was tweeting on twitter like this:

 
Hmm I don't know. I've never taken notice of how different nationalities try to persuade someone. It's an interesting thing to think about though.
Apr 21st 2011 13:19 yasumi
そうですよね。国籍で説得のやり方を変えるなんておかしいですね。
添削ありがとう！
sick4paradise
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Apr 21st 2011 12:06
  • If a Japanese wants to persuade, he tells his hardship story first."

  • If a Japanese wants to persuade (someone), he tells his hardship story first."

 
  • In that situation, we don't joke.

  • In such a situation, we don't joke.

 
That's interesting. I think it depends on the situation, but in general I'd agree with the American part. I think Americans tend to feel more compassionate towards people who are friendly and open, as opposed to people who are solemn and serious. The way people tend to treat the homeless in America may support this view.
Apr 21st 2011 13:26 yasumi
日本人は真面目な場面でジョークを言いません。
すべっちゃったら恥ずかしいでしょう？ I might be embarrassed when I failed to make someone laugh.
以前にアメリカ人はオープンでフラットな関係が好きだと教科書で読んだことを思い出しました。 I remember that I read they were saying, "Americans prefer open and flat relationship," in my material for English.
edKiwi
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Apr 21st 2011 12:22
  • It means, "If an American wants to persuade someone, he jokes at the beginning.

  • It means, "If an American wants to persuade someone, he jokes about it at the beginning.

 
  • If a Japanese wants to persuade, he tells his hardship story first."

  • If a Japanese person wants to persuade someone to accept his point of view, he tells them his story of hardship story first."

 
  • Certainly, when most Japanese sympathize with someone, we may accept someone's opinion.

  • Certainly, when most Japanese sympathize with someone, we are more likely to may accept someone's opinion. (I think you mean this)

 
  • What do you think of it?

  • What do you think about this situation of it?

 
Hello

I think Americans use both ways of trying to get someone to accept their point of view.

When they joke they sometimes talk about the opinion that they don`t like. They then joke and ridicule it to convince the other person that the oppinion is silly. Then they accept the opinion or point of view that the speaker wants them to accept
Apr 21st 2011 13:16 yasumi
Thank you for correction and comment.
I understand that joking is important strategy in America.
xChilla
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Apr 21st 2011 12:33
  • I read someone tweeting on twitter like this.

  • I read something that someone tweeted on twitter that said that quote.

 
  • If a Japanese wants to persuade, he tells his hardship story first."

  • If a Japanese wants to persuade, he tells of his hardships story first." Or... "he tells the story of his hardships first."

 
  • Is it true?

  • Is it true? Or.. Is this true?

 
  • Certainly, when most Japanese sympathize with someone, we may accept someone's opinion.

  • Certainly, when most Japanese sympathize with someone, we may accept their opinion. Do you mean, "we understand how they feel."

 
Hmm, I don't think persuade is the right word for English. せっとく translates as persuasion but in this situation I think there's a better word... Maybe, "confide" is better. It means to tell someone "in confidence" = telling someone privately.

From my understanding, you mean "to get someone to understand your side of the story." So the most natural way to say it would be...

"In order to get someone to understand their side of the story, Americans tend to start with a joke. Japanese on the other hand, start by telling of their hardships."

(most natural way to say it, but it's obviously not a literal translation)
Apr 21st 2011 13:33 yasumi
なるほど。 You understand Japanese so your comment is thought deeply.
アシュリーさんは日本語を英語にするのもうまいですね！
Ashley is a excellent interpreter!
とても参考になります。 Your translation is very helpful.
Chez
Apr 21st 2011 19:57
うーん、台湾人も説得するには苦労話しから入りますよ。
もし最初ジョークから入ったら、ちょっと不真面目な感じかな・・・
Apr 21st 2011 20:26 yasumi
そうですよねー。でも仲が良い人になら試してみてもいいかも。
笑わせておいてお願いをするとか・・・
(^^)
Apr 21st 2011 20:40 Chez
はは、いいじゃないんですか。＾＾
これも一つの練習かも。ｗ
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