Translation: Chinese forum thread for studying Japanese - Part 1

Here's a partial translation of a forum thread from a Chinese forum for studying Japanese. In particular, posts saying "Thanks!" etc have been omitted. This thread focuses on basic pronunciation and Japanese "pitch accent".

Original thread
http://bbs.neworldjp.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=66&id=38039&page=&star=1

《新编日语教程》在线学习讲堂（初级） 第二回
"New Japanese Textbook", Online study room (Beginner) Lesson 2 [thread title]

陌棱
[a forum user]

第 二 回
Lesson 2

Hello! 大家好！ 我们又见面啦！
Hello all! Nice to see you again.

今天我们可要正式开始学习五十音图喽！ 都准备好了吧！
Today we are going to learn about the "fifty sounds"! Everyone ready?!

1、あ行：あ い う え お
ア イ ウ エ オ
（它们代表五个元音，其他各行基本上表示辅音+元音形成清音。）
These represent the five vowels, each line below basically shows consonant+vowel.


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本回内容讲述完毕，hoho！ 下面我们进入“发音巩固练习”环节！
Hoho! We just finished this lesson. Let's get started with the "master your pronunciation" part!

愛 あい ① 家 いえ ② 上 うえ ② 甥 おい ⓪
柿 かき ⓪ 赤 あか ① 秋 あき ① 菊 きく ⓪ 池 いけ ② 恋 こい ①
酒 さけ ① 四季 しき ② 寿司 すし ② 汗 あせ ① 嘘 うそ ①
歌 うた ② 下 した ⓪ 父 ちち ② 地下鉄 ちかてつ ⓪
月 つき ② テスト ① 外 そと ①
夏 なつ ② 西 にし ⓪ 犬 いぬ ② 猫 ねこ ① 兄 あに ① 姉 あね ②
角 つの ②

http://bbs.neworldjp.com/ActivitiesMaterials/cjxbry/MP3/2/1-2.mp3

？(>_<) … ⓪①②③是什么意思呢？ 不解了吧。 迷惑了吧。
What are these ⓪①②③? I bet that got you confused!

来， 咱一起看看。 听听楼下高人的指教！
Ok, let's do this together! Let's learn from the outstanding replies below!

嗯，今天就到这儿。 我们下回见！
That's all! See you next time.

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陌棱

⓪型:表示只有第一拍低,其他各拍都高。
Type 0 means the first mora is low, and the rest are high.

①型:表示只有第一拍高,以下各拍都低。
Type 1 means only the first mora is high and the rest are low.

②型:表示只有第二拍高,第一拍和第三拍以下各拍都低。
Type 2 means only the second mora is high and the first, the third and the rest are low.

③型:表示第二拍,第三拍高,第一拍和第四拍以下各拍都低。
Type 3 means only the second and the third are high, and the first, the fourth and the rest are low.

④型:表示第二拍至第四拍高,第一拍和第五拍以下各拍都低。
Type 4 means #2 to #4 are high, and #1, #5 and the rest are low.

⑤型:表示第二拍至第五拍高,第一拍和第六拍以下各拍都低.。
Type 5 means #2 to #5 are high, and the #1, the #6 and the rest are low.

⑥型:表示第二拍至第六拍高,第一拍和第七拍以下各拍都低。
Type 6 means #2 to #6 are high, and the first, #7 and the rest are low.

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yanshangmi
偶觉得就是 ⓪①②③ 这些发音不太好记的样子，要反复练啊～
I think these 0,1,2,3... these sounds/marks aren't very easy to remember, we must practice repeatly.

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陌棱
> 以下是引用yanshangmi在2008-11-11 22:52:25的发言：
> yanshangmi wrote at 2008-11-11 22:52:25:
> 偶觉得就是 ⓪①②③ 这些发音不太好记的样子，要反复练啊～

嗯 其实不用非常刻意地去记哪个单词到底是对应“⓪①②③”中的哪个
Sure, but you don't need to go out of your way to remember which number apply to which word.

你多听听磁带或配套正规的MP3里面的发音，跟着模仿，然后自己多加练习
You should listen to the proper pronunciation from the attached tapes or MP3, and then imitate and practice a lot.

习惯都能成自然 更何况多听多练，还可以培养一定的语感呢
Practice makes perfect. Moreover listening and practicing a lot will make you get a feeling for the language.

等熟了之后，就会找到一定的语感语音规律 那时就可以很自然地发出标准日语音啦
After you get used to it you will get a feel for the language and its sound system. Then you'll be able to very naturally/easily/fluently speak (fluent) standard Japanese.

嘿嘿 加油哈
Cheer up!

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sony13411
楼主讲的不错 只是感觉音的高低发音还是不会把握 就是单词后面标注的1234

The thread master (the top post) explains it well. It's just that I feel I can't get a grasp of the high vs low sounds... even with 1234 marked after the words

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陌棱
以下是引用sony13411在2008-11-12 21:21:09的发言：
> sony13411 wrote at 2008-11-12 21:21:09:
楼主讲的不错 只是感觉音的高低发音还是不会把握 就是单词后面标注的1234

可以跟着磁带或MP3多听、模仿、多练习下

You can follow the tape/mp3 and listen, imitate and practice a bit more.

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kimistt
感觉比老师上课的讲的明了很多，特别是对1型2型的解释很清晰呢

I felt it was much clearer than what our teacher said in class; the explanation about type 1 and type 2 was especially clear.